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October 11, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
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Engineers don't calculate for Earth's curve ever because it doesn't exist. Go ask a railroad engineer about it, ask him why he never makes allowances for Earth's curvature? I'm not the one living in a fantasy world.

Why don't engineers generally need to calculate for the curvature of the earth? Because the curvature is on such a vast scale that it is unnecessary to take it into account. It appears not to exist. If the earth were a mere 100 miles in diameter, they would have to take it into account.

Engineers calculate for flat and straight. They do not calculate for something like a horizon curving up.

Make up your mind. Either the engineering calculation that works is wrong, or flat-earth curving up is wrong. The two sciences don't mix.

Formulate a complete FE science that works, stop combing it with standard science, and go back to school.

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What, did the liqueur store run out of Everclear? The claim is 8" per mile squared and you say a railroad engineer can just ignore that?

This is engineer talk that doesn't reflect true math. Also, it is a rule of thumb. Consider:
It seems to be the only math which many flat-Earthers are willing to consider accurate. The Earth, they say, supposedly curves away at a rate of eight inches times the distance in miles squared. Which is true. Kind of. But not really.

The figure, which they say comes from NASA, or "science," actually comes from a very different source. Flat-Earthers, no matter where they got it themselves, owe it to none other than Samuel Birley Rowbotham, author of Zetetic Astronomy. He got it from the Encyclopedia Brittanica, where it is cited under the heading "Leveling." You'll find his lengthy quote (I doubt that he got permission to use it, by the way) starting on page 8 of the 1865 edition of his book.

The problem is that this is in the context of civil engineering, not mathematics, and it's just a rule of thumb employed by plane surveyors to compensate for the drop in a target of the same height as the surveyor's transit. It builds up inaccuracy as the distance increases for two reasons, the first being that it is not exact, and the second being that it is not based on the formula for a circle. It actually plots out to be a parabola.

But, you can calculate it out yourself, easily, using trig or calculus. Or are you going to say that math is off, so that you can't use trig or calc in this?

However, if the drop is 8 inches per mile, this means less than 3 thousandths of an inch bend in a 15-foot railroad rail. You couldn't even notice this, so who who cares? Certainly not railroad engineers (or the conductors, for that matter Cheesy). Rails expand and contract way more than this with seasonal temperature changes.

But if you are using 8 inches squared, you are using 64 inches, or 8 times the, above, 3 thousandths of an inch. Then the amount would be barely over 2 hundredths of an inch. Again, this is less than climate change contractions and expansions, and less than a 15-foot rail bends because of anomalies in railroad track roadbed.

In other words, railroad engineers have to take into account way more for hills and valleys. So, why would they want to even consider the curvature of the earth, which is automatically figured into the way the metal bends, naturally, because of the size of the earth, and the tiny amount of drop in curvature?

Keep on digging yourself into a hole that you can't get out of.

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But he notices the huge tanker disappear behind the water curve 3 miles out.  HAHA

Can't make this shit up.
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"And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." -- Revelation 8:11, KJV

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Certain commentators have held that this "great star" represents one of several important figures in political or ecclesiastical history,[4] while other Bible dictionaries and commentaries view the term as a reference to a celestial being. A Dictionary of The Holy Bible states, "the star called Wormwood seems to denote a mighty prince, or power of the air, the instrument, in its fall."[5]" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormwood_(Bible)

"Rabbi Yitzchak Batzri, a Jerusalem-based Kabbalist, claimed the apocalyptic scenario was foretold in the Old Testament." -- http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1028552/Yellowstone-volcano-eruption-Bible-prophecy-end-of-the-world

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October 11, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
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Engineers don't calculate for Earth's curve ever because it doesn't exist. Go ask a railroad engineer about it, ask him why he never makes allowances for Earth's curvature? I'm not the one living in a fantasy world.

Why don't engineers generally need to calculate for the curvature of the earth? Because the curvature is on such a vast scale that it is unnecessary to take it into account. It appears not to exist. If the earth were a mere 100 miles in diameter, they would have to take it into account.

Engineers calculate for flat and straight. They do not calculate for something like a horizon curving up.

Make up your mind. Either the engineering calculation that works is wrong, or flat-earth curving up is wrong. The two sciences don't mix.

Formulate a complete FE science that works, stop combing it with standard science, and go back to school.

Cool

What, did the liqueur store run out of Everclear? The claim is 8" per mile squared and you say a railroad engineer can just ignore that?

This is engineer talk that doesn't reflect true math. Also, it is a rule of thumb. Consider:
It seems to be the only math which many flat-Earthers are willing to consider accurate. The Earth, they say, supposedly curves away at a rate of eight inches times the distance in miles squared. Which is true. Kind of. But not really.

The figure, which they say comes from NASA, or "science," actually comes from a very different source. Flat-Earthers, no matter where they got it themselves, owe it to none other than Samuel Birley Rowbotham, author of Zetetic Astronomy. He got it from the Encyclopedia Brittanica, where it is cited under the heading "Leveling." You'll find his lengthy quote (I doubt that he got permission to use it, by the way) starting on page 8 of the 1865 edition of his book.

The problem is that this is in the context of civil engineering, not mathematics, and it's just a rule of thumb employed by plane surveyors to compensate for the drop in a target of the same height as the surveyor's transit. It builds up inaccuracy as the distance increases for two reasons, the first being that it is not exact, and the second being that it is not based on the formula for a circle. It actually plots out to be a parabola.

But, you can calculate it out yourself, easily, using trig or calculus. Or are you going to say that math is off, so that you can't use trig or calc in this?

However, if the drop is 8 inches per mile, this means less than 3 thousandths of an inch bend in a 15-foot railroad rail. You couldn't even notice this, so who who cares? Certainly not railroad engineers (or the conductors, for that matter Cheesy). Rails expand and contract way more than this with seasonal temperature changes.

But if you are using 8 inches squared, you are using 64 inches, or 8 times the, above, 3 thousandths of an inch. Then the amount would be barely over 2 hundredths of an inch. Again, this is less than climate change contractions and expansions, and less than a 15-foot rail bends because of anomalies in railroad track roadbed.

In other words, railroad engineers have to take into account way more for hills and valleys. So, why would they want to even consider the curvature of the earth, which is automatically figured into the way the metal bends, naturally, because of the size of the earth, and the tiny amount of drop in curvature?

Keep on digging yourself into a hole that you can't get out of.

Cool

But he notices the huge tanker disappear behind the water curve 3 miles out.  HAHA

Can't make this shit up.

Right! Anomalies in all the things that the FE people say.     Cool
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October 11, 2018, 05:43:03 PM
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Engineers don't calculate for Earth's curve ever because it doesn't exist. Go ask a railroad engineer about it, ask him why he never makes allowances for Earth's curvature? I'm not the one living in a fantasy world.

Why don't engineers generally need to calculate for the curvature of the earth? Because the curvature is on such a vast scale that it is unnecessary to take it into account. It appears not to exist. If the earth were a mere 100 miles in diameter, they would have to take it into account.

Engineers calculate for flat and straight. They do not calculate for something like a horizon curving up.

Make up your mind. Either the engineering calculation that works is wrong, or flat-earth curving up is wrong. The two sciences don't mix.

Formulate a complete FE science that works, stop combing it with standard science, and go back to school.

Cool

What, did the liqueur store run out of Everclear? The claim is 8" per mile squared and you say a railroad engineer can just ignore that?

This is engineer talk that doesn't reflect true math. Also, it is a rule of thumb. Consider:
It seems to be the only math which many flat-Earthers are willing to consider accurate. The Earth, they say, supposedly curves away at a rate of eight inches times the distance in miles squared. Which is true. Kind of. But not really.

The figure, which they say comes from NASA, or "science," actually comes from a very different source. Flat-Earthers, no matter where they got it themselves, owe it to none other than Samuel Birley Rowbotham, author of Zetetic Astronomy. He got it from the Encyclopedia Brittanica, where it is cited under the heading "Leveling." You'll find his lengthy quote (I doubt that he got permission to use it, by the way) starting on page 8 of the 1865 edition of his book.

The problem is that this is in the context of civil engineering, not mathematics, and it's just a rule of thumb employed by plane surveyors to compensate for the drop in a target of the same height as the surveyor's transit. It builds up inaccuracy as the distance increases for two reasons, the first being that it is not exact, and the second being that it is not based on the formula for a circle. It actually plots out to be a parabola.

But, you can calculate it out yourself, easily, using trig or calculus. Or are you going to say that math is off, so that you can't use trig or calc in this?

However, if the drop is 8 inches per mile, this means less than 3 thousandths of an inch bend in a 15-foot railroad rail. You couldn't even notice this, so who who cares? Certainly not railroad engineers (or the conductors, for that matter Cheesy). Rails expand and contract way more than this with seasonal temperature changes.

But if you are using 8 inches squared, you are using 64 inches, or 8 times the, above, 3 thousandths of an inch. Then the amount would be barely over 2 hundredths of an inch. Again, this is less than climate change contractions and expansions, and less than a 15-foot rail bends because of anomalies in railroad track roadbed.

In other words, railroad engineers have to take into account way more for hills and valleys. So, why would they want to even consider the curvature of the earth, which is automatically figured into the way the metal bends, naturally, because of the size of the earth, and the tiny amount of drop in curvature?

Keep on digging yourself into a hole that you can't get out of.

Cool

But he notices the huge tanker disappear behind the water curve 3 miles out.  HAHA

Can't make this shit up.

Right! Anomalies in all the things that the FE people say.     Cool

Not so sure your going to trick anyone with that.  Your going back and forth between little curves we can't  see when it fits your story then we go to huge 70ft water curves 3 miles out when you need that.  You may trick a few dumb asses.  Keep it up.  Your doing nothing but helping Nobatman. 

Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve?  Show us your true colors.
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October 11, 2018, 05:46:26 PM
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There is all possible ways the magnets can be arranged. n-s-n-s  would also give perpendicular field lines.
Not hard to see the concentration of power.


Because of the turn there is a continues connect disconnect. The power of dc current.
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Right! Anomalies in all the things that the FE people say.     Cool

Not so sure your going to trick anyone with that.  Your going back and forth between little curves we can't  see when it fits your story then we go to huge 70ft water curves 3 miles out when you need that.  You may trick a few dumb asses.  Keep it up.  Your doing nothing but helping Nobatman. 

Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve?  Show us your true colors.

All right! You said it. In the complex things you can't see the little curves. But you can see all kinds of things that make sense right in your back yard, like surveying, and the way that a surveyor's transit works.

So, why would you (whoever you are) believe all the flat earth science when you can't see the curves, and not believe standard science, which happens everyday with the surveyor and in building buildings, bridges, airplanes, cars, and everything else we live with in the modern world? FE perspective doesn't fit all this real and practical stuff. But standard science does, even though you don't see your curves.

If you look above in this thread, you will see that I have been asking notbatman to stop trying to combine the things of two different sciences, and to develop his FE science so that it fits the real world right around us... not some horizon world that uses perspective in ways that absolutely don't work with building big buildings and flying airplanes on a straight course.

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October 11, 2018, 08:08:00 PM
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Right! Anomalies in all the things that the FE people say.     Cool

Not so sure your going to trick anyone with that.  Your going back and forth between little curves we can't  see when it fits your story then we go to huge 70ft water curves 3 miles out when you need that.  You may trick a few dumb asses.  Keep it up.  Your doing nothing but helping Nobatman. 

Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve?  Show us your true colors.

All right! You said it. In the complex things you can't see the little curves. But you can see all kinds of things that make sense right in your back yard, like surveying, and the way that a surveyor's transit works.

So, why would you (whoever you are) believe all the flat earth science when you can't see the curves, and not believe standard science, which happens everyday with the surveyor and in building buildings, bridges, airplanes, cars, and everything else we live with in the modern world? FE perspective doesn't fit all this real and practical stuff. But standard science does, even though you don't see your curves.

If you look above in this thread, you will see that I have been asking notbatman to stop trying to combine the things of two different sciences, and to develop his FE science so that it fits the real world right around us... not some horizon world that uses perspective in ways that absolutely don't work with building big buildings and flying airplanes on a straight course.

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It's a simple question so we can establish something between the 2 sides.  We need a starting point.  I really want to walk through this step by step.  You have been here 3 years so I would think you are game.  The quest is the truth.  Not winning an argument.

Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?

Do you believe you actually witness the ship go behind a giant water curve off the coast (3 miles out)?  Or do you believe it is perspective which makes it disappear?  How can you bring the ship back into sight with binoculars if it went behind the water curve?
NASA employees, Bill Nye have both said we know the earth is curved because we can see the ship disappear behind the curve.  I call this clear bullshit.  If you believe that the ship really does go behind the curve 3 miles out there really is nothing left to talk about as I would consider you intellectually dishonest.

The other proof that is the 2nd most brought up is the shadows of 2 distant buildings (Eratosthenes).  Once we agree that we don't see ships disappear behind water curves at close distances when they don't disappear from left to right we can go on from there.  The question I will pose to you regarding this is why does the sextant tell us the sun is near (3k miles)?  What is your proof the sun is 93 million miles away.  Why have all through history the suns distance move further and further away according to the top scientists of the time.  The questions pertaining to the suns distance are important because a close sun will give the same results as Eratosthenes witnesses on a flat plane.

I'm not arguing the earth is flat as much as I'm saying it's not a sphere as I was told in school.  We need free and independent exploration rights (Antarctic) to solve this for sure.  For now we will have to use what we have to go on.  But what we go on must be provable, measurable and repeatable or else we are all pissing in the wind.



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And yet you believe that you live on a spinning ball, although we can not see, observe or measure any curvature at all. And that is moronic  Grin
No curvature equals no ball, comprende amigo?
3D, just make sure that you will not die once atheist, because living in the lake of fire for all eternity really isn't profitable. Make sure to invest in profitable future.
Are you a fucking moron or what? Of course it's been observed and measured. Do some real research.
I'd link some sites to show you but won't waste my time because you will just come up with some retarded rebuttal about nasa hoaxes or what have you.
Jeezus christ dude, fucking educate yourself and get off this ridiculous thread.
(or just keep posting moronic hilarious pics, IDFC)
Unless you are just obsessively trolling for past 3 years or whatever, (distinct possibility)
I feel sorry for you and your sheer ignorance.
Now go pray to your magic invisible sky fairy that I burn in imaginary hell...

....Hey btw, is hell shaped like a pancake too...a really hot one?.. like floating below the earth pancake?


Nice one Exemplaar.  You got this one triggered.  


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Not so sure your going to trick anyone with that.  Your going back and forth between little curves we can't  see when it fits your story then we go to huge 70ft water curves 3 miles out when you need that.  You may trick a few dumb asses.  Keep it up.  Your doing nothing but helping Nobatman.

Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve?  Show us your true colors.

You should know that badecker is a jesuit sellout.

Check this brilliant short documentary for a basic facts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbyJDou4qQ


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It's a simple question so we can establish something between the 2 sides.  We need a starting point.  I really want to walk through this step by step.  You have been here 3 years so I would think you are game.  The quest is the truth.  Not winning an argument.

Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?

Do you believe you actually witness the ship go behind a giant water curve off the coast (3 miles out)?  Or do you believe it is perspective which makes it disappear?  How can you bring the ship back into sight with binoculars if it went behind the water curve?
NASA employees, Bill Nye have both said we know the earth is curved because we can see the ship disappear behind the curve.  I call this clear bullshit.  If you believe that the ship really does go behind the curve 3 miles out there really is nothing left to talk about as I would consider you intellectually dishonest.


I can't tell if you are being silly, are attempting to be deceptive, or are just plain ignorant.

The answer to your yes/no question, "Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?," as it stands, is not a simple yes/no. Here's why not. And it is easy.

The horizon is different distances away, depending on how high off the ground you are at the same spot on the beach.

If you are a 6-foot tall person standing on the beach, the horizon will be at a certain point.

If you are standing on the top of a 100-foot tall tower, exactly and directly above the point where you were standing on the beach, the horizon will be further away.

If you let the girls bury you in the beach sand, so your head sticks out of the sand, exactly between the spot where your feet were planted when you were standing on the beach, the horizon is much closer.

You don't have enough info in your question to make it possible to give a yes or a no. And you know this. You are simply being deceptive, or you are playing around. However, if you don't know this, you really need a room next to notbatman.

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It is better for you to be triggered than left alone dying in ignorance.

Enoch was the only man who saw the lake of fire. Here read it for yourself:

http://book-ofenoch.com/chapter-21/




You should know that badecker is a jesuit sellout.

Check this brilliant short documentary for a basic facts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbyJDou4qQ


The Council of Nicea back in 325 A.D., left the Book of Enoch out of the Bible because they found that it could not be proven genuine, right along with a bunch of other books.

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It's a simple question so we can establish something between the 2 sides.  We need a starting point.  I really want to walk through this step by step.  You have been here 3 years so I would think you are game.  The quest is the truth.  Not winning an argument.

Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?

Do you believe you actually witness the ship go behind a giant water curve off the coast (3 miles out)?  Or do you believe it is perspective which makes it disappear?  How can you bring the ship back into sight with binoculars if it went behind the water curve?
NASA employees, Bill Nye have both said we know the earth is curved because we can see the ship disappear behind the curve.  I call this clear bullshit.  If you believe that the ship really does go behind the curve 3 miles out there really is nothing left to talk about as I would consider you intellectually dishonest.


I can't tell if you are being silly, are attempting to be deceptive, or are just plain ignorant.

The answer to your yes/no question, "Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?," as it stands, is not a simple yes/no. Here's why not. And it is easy.

The horizon is different distances away, depending on how high off the ground you are at the same spot on the beach.

If you are a 6-foot tall person standing on the beach, the horizon will be at a certain point.

If you are standing on the top of a 100-foot tall tower, exactly and directly above the point where you were standing on the beach, the horizon will be further away.

If you let the girls bury you in the beach sand, so your head sticks out of the sand, exactly between the spot where your feet were planted when you were standing on the beach, the horizon is much closer.

You don't have enough info in your question to make it possible to give a yes or a no. And you know this. You are simply being deceptive, or you are playing around. However, if you don't know this, you really need a room next to notbatman.

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Wow that was an amazing avoidance of a simple question. 

I'll ask again just to show everyone you will not answer this question. 

Your at sea level on the beach.  No 100 foot towers.  Your head is in a vice and cannot change altitude.  It is 6 feet above sea level.  The boat disappears bottom first and eventually goes out of sight.  Did it go behind the water curve or out of your perspective? 

Cannot wait to see your response.


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And yet you believe that you live on a spinning ball, although we can not see, observe or measure any curvature at all. And that is moronic  Grin
No curvature equals no ball, comprende amigo?
3D, just make sure that you will not die once atheist, because living in the lake of fire for all eternity really isn't profitable. Make sure to invest in profitable future.
Are you a fucking moron or what? Of course it's been observed and measured. Do some real research.
I'd link some sites to show you but won't waste my time because you will just come up with some retarded rebuttal about nasa hoaxes or what have you.
Jeezus christ dude, fucking educate yourself and get off this ridiculous thread.
(or just keep posting moronic hilarious pics, IDFC)
Unless you are just obsessively trolling for past 3 years or whatever, (distinct possibility)
I feel sorry for you and your sheer ignorance.
Now go pray to your magic invisible sky fairy that I burn in imaginary hell...

....Hey btw, is hell shaped like a pancake too...a really hot one?.. like floating below the earth pancake?


Nice one Exemplaar.  You got this one triggered.  


It is better for you to be triggered than left alone dying in ignorance.

Enoch was the only man who saw the lake of fire. Here read it for yourself:

http://book-ofenoch.com/chapter-21/




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Not so sure your going to trick anyone with that.  Your going back and forth between little curves we can't  see when it fits your story then we go to huge 70ft water curves 3 miles out when you need that.  You may trick a few dumb asses.  Keep it up.  Your doing nothing but helping Nobatman.

Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve?  Show us your true colors.

You should know that badecker is a jesuit sellout.

Check this brilliant short documentary for a basic facts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbyJDou4qQ




10-4 on Badecker.  I feel it's important to press them on simple questions and let them avoid, ridicule and make ridiculous posts to further prove my point.  There are a huge amount of views happening on this page (not as many comments due to fear of negative trust retaliation) and I'm sure most can see what's happening here.  To me it really helps the cause and lets people see the sophistry and denial of the globe earthers.  The more they avoid and lie about clearly evident facts (perspective) the more people we will wake.  Its a blessing these guys are fighting rabidly about easily provable facts when they are clearly wrong.  These 3 or 4 globers are setting their own team back horribly bad.  It's wonderful to be a part of this conversation and hopefully get some people to seriously look into this when they see the obvious lies coming from the other side. 

Watched the video.  Very interesting.  

I'm not sold on the Bible at this point.  I will have to read the book of Enoch.  I actually started reading the Bible after I was introduced to flat earth.  Got through the first 5 books and I stopped.  It seems off to me.  For instance why is god having these people build elaborate buildings for worship while they are out in the middle of the wilderness?  God also seemed to have a bit of a temper.  Not what I was expecting.  I may not be getting it and I need to read the rest to give it a fair shot but so far I enjoyed the beginning part of Genesis and started getting turned off after learning about the exact specifications god demanded  for the tabernacle and the wiping out of just about everyone.  It disturbed me more than made me feel like I had a protector.  I walked away feeling it was a book made for the Children of Isreal and not so much for me.  

Just my impression and should hold no value to you if you are a believer.  

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It's a simple question so we can establish something between the 2 sides.  We need a starting point.  I really want to walk through this step by step.  You have been here 3 years so I would think you are game.  The quest is the truth.  Not winning an argument.

Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?

Do you believe you actually witness the ship go behind a giant water curve off the coast (3 miles out)?  Or do you believe it is perspective which makes it disappear?  How can you bring the ship back into sight with binoculars if it went behind the water curve?
NASA employees, Bill Nye have both said we know the earth is curved because we can see the ship disappear behind the curve.  I call this clear bullshit.  If you believe that the ship really does go behind the curve 3 miles out there really is nothing left to talk about as I would consider you intellectually dishonest.


I can't tell if you are being silly, are attempting to be deceptive, or are just plain ignorant.

The answer to your yes/no question, "Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?," as it stands, is not a simple yes/no. Here's why not. And it is easy.

The horizon is different distances away, depending on how high off the ground you are at the same spot on the beach.

If you are a 6-foot tall person standing on the beach, the horizon will be at a certain point.

If you are standing on the top of a 100-foot tall tower, exactly and directly above the point where you were standing on the beach, the horizon will be further away.

If you let the girls bury you in the beach sand, so your head sticks out of the sand, exactly between the spot where your feet were planted when you were standing on the beach, the horizon is much closer.

You don't have enough info in your question to make it possible to give a yes or a no. And you know this. You are simply being deceptive, or you are playing around. However, if you don't know this, you really need a room next to notbatman.

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Wow that was an amazing avoidance of a simple question. 

I'll ask again just to show everyone you will not answer this question. 

Your at sea level on the beach.  No 100 foot towers.  Your head is in a vice and cannot change altitude.  It is 6 feet above sea level.  The boat disappears bottom first and eventually goes out of sight.  Did it go behind the water curve or out of your perspective? 

Cannot wait to see your response.


Going over the horizon is not termed behind the water curve. If you mean going over the horizon, say what you mean. As far as perspective goes, what do you consider something that is out of sight? Is it out of your perspective? Your language and terminology is different than people generally use.

So, what about my post you quoted? Do you think that the distance of the horizon varies with how high you are above the water? Or not?

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It's a simple question so we can establish something between the 2 sides.  We need a starting point.  I really want to walk through this step by step.  You have been here 3 years so I would think you are game.  The quest is the truth.  Not winning an argument.

Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?

Do you believe you actually witness the ship go behind a giant water curve off the coast (3 miles out)?  Or do you believe it is perspective which makes it disappear?  How can you bring the ship back into sight with binoculars if it went behind the water curve?
NASA employees, Bill Nye have both said we know the earth is curved because we can see the ship disappear behind the curve.  I call this clear bullshit.  If you believe that the ship really does go behind the curve 3 miles out there really is nothing left to talk about as I would consider you intellectually dishonest.


I can't tell if you are being silly, are attempting to be deceptive, or are just plain ignorant.

The answer to your yes/no question, "Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?," as it stands, is not a simple yes/no. Here's why not. And it is easy.

The horizon is different distances away, depending on how high off the ground you are at the same spot on the beach.

If you are a 6-foot tall person standing on the beach, the horizon will be at a certain point.

If you are standing on the top of a 100-foot tall tower, exactly and directly above the point where you were standing on the beach, the horizon will be further away.

If you let the girls bury you in the beach sand, so your head sticks out of the sand, exactly between the spot where your feet were planted when you were standing on the beach, the horizon is much closer.

You don't have enough info in your question to make it possible to give a yes or a no. And you know this. You are simply being deceptive, or you are playing around. However, if you don't know this, you really need a room next to notbatman.

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Wow that was an amazing avoidance of a simple question.  

I'll ask again just to show everyone you will not answer this question.  

Your at sea level on the beach.  No 100 foot towers.  Your head is in a vice and cannot change altitude.  It is 6 feet above sea level.  The boat disappears bottom first and eventually goes out of sight.  Did it go behind the water curve or out of your perspective?  

Cannot wait to see your response.


Going over the horizon is not termed behind the water curve. If you mean going over the horizon, say what you mean. As far as perspective goes, what do you consider something that is out of sight? Is it out of your perspective? Your language and terminology is different than people generally use.

So, what about my post you quoted? Do you think that the distance of the horizon varies with how high you are above the water? Or not?

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Of course the horizon changes depending on your elevations.  

Let me rephrase to help you out.

Your head is locked at 6 feet above sea level.  Your head cannot change elevations.  It is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  I will repeat.  Your head is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  It cannot go to 5 or 7 feet above sea level.  It is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  Remember your head is at 6 feet above sea level.

Ok so your head is 6 feet above sea level.  It cannot change.  The ship begins to disappear bottom first.  Remember your head is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  It cannot change.  You can no longer see the ship.  Your head is still 6 feet above sea level.  You did not lay down or go onto of a 100 foot tower.  Your head is stuck in position at 6 feet above sea level.  

What happened to the ship?  Why can you no longer see it?  

Remember your head is fixed at 6 feet above sea level.  It never changed during this entire time.

6 feet.
Sea level.
Ship bye bye.
Why?
6 feet.
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I hacked The Gibson earlier today, and found notbatman's medical records.

Here is what his brain-scan looks like.

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Let me rephrase to help you out.

Your head is locked at 6 feet above sea level.  Your head cannot change elevations.  It is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  I will repeat.  Your head is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  It cannot go to 5 or 7 feet above sea level.  It is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  Remember your head is at 6 feet above sea level.

Ok so your head is 6 feet above sea level.  It cannot change.  The ship begins to disappear bottom first.  Remember your head is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  It cannot change.  You can no longer see the ship.  Your head is still 6 feet above sea level.  You did not lay down or go onto of a 100 foot tower.  Your head is stuck in position at 6 feet above sea level.  

What happened to the ship?  Why can you no longer see it?  

Remember your head is fixed at 6 feet above sea level.  It never changed during this entire time.

6 feet.
Sea level.
Ship bye bye.
Why?
6 feet.

Well, if you can't change your position in the sand, you can use your cellphone to contact port authorities to send out a helicopter to find out what happened to the ship, right. Of course, if you don't have a phone, you could holler to your friend to phone port authorities for you, but he'll just laugh at you.

Get your feet unglued from the sand and take a speedboat out there to find out what happened to the ship, yourself. It might have sunk, you know, right? I mean, ships do sink now and again, right?

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Let me rephrase to help you out.

Your head is locked at 6 feet above sea level.  Your head cannot change elevations.  It is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  I will repeat.  Your head is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  It cannot go to 5 or 7 feet above sea level.  It is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  Remember your head is at 6 feet above sea level.

Ok so your head is 6 feet above sea level.  It cannot change.  The ship begins to disappear bottom first.  Remember your head is stuck at 6 feet above sea level.  It cannot change.  You can no longer see the ship.  Your head is still 6 feet above sea level.  You did not lay down or go onto of a 100 foot tower.  Your head is stuck in position at 6 feet above sea level.  

What happened to the ship?  Why can you no longer see it?  

Remember your head is fixed at 6 feet above sea level.  It never changed during this entire time.

6 feet.
Sea level.
Ship bye bye.
Why?
6 feet.

Well, if you can't change your position in the sand, you can use your cellphone to contact port authorities to send out a helicopter to find out what happened to the ship, right. Of course, if you don't have a phone, you could holler to your friend to phone port authorities for you, but he'll just laugh at you.

Get your feet unglued from the sand and take a speedboat out there to find out what happened to the ship, yourself. It might have sunk, you know, right? I mean, ships do sink now and again, right?

 Grin

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They purposely conflate physical size and position with apparent size and position including viewer height to claim obstruction due to curvature, obstruction due to a narrow band mirage with obstruction due to curvature, clipping from atmospheric magnification with with obstruction due to curvature, atmospheric compression as curvature and, atmospheric refraction with lack of observed curvature. The science of illusion.



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They purposely conflate physical size and position with apparent size and position including viewer height to claim obstruction due to curvature, obstruction due to a narrow band mirage with obstruction due to curvature, clipping from atmospheric magnification with with obstruction due to curvature, atmospheric compression as curvature and, atmospheric refraction with lack of observed curvature. The science of illusion.





Great picture.  It really sums up their game (or lack thereof).

The best part is anyone with basic reading comprehension skills will see through it and hopefully research the subject further. 
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Another illusion is with the Sun and Stars. In reality the Earth is motionless and the Sun and Stars orbit above us as separate objects with separate frequencies, 24 hours for the Sun and 23 hours, 56 minutes for the Stars.

The trick here is that the globe model has to combine the two frequencies into a single frequency, the single globe has to make both observed motions at the same time. So in the globe model it's making both a 360 degree rotation and a ~359 degree rotation at the same time.

It's a global marathon, one athlete running two separate races with different track lengths at the same time, running at the same speed in both races and, passing the finish lines at the same time.
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