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August 06, 2018, 04:28:36 AM
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^  Omg you're right!  The lines are 1.69 for Khabib and 2.27 for McGregor.  I guess now's the best time to jump in on McGregor.  I couldn't see it getting anymore better than this once the promotions start for the event.  But considering that McGregor hasn't done any UFC matches for the last two years, I kinda feel iffy making the bet.

Wonder why they’re making McGregor the outside bet. I know he’s not fought in the Octagon for a while but he’s fought Diaz at a heavier weight & Mayweather in the boxing ring so he’s proven he can take hits from heavier men (Diaz) & different types of opponent (Floyd).

I actually think McGregor will KO Khabib, he’s a skinny little bitch.
I think McGregor can KO Khabib in 1-2 rounds, if McGregor can't KO khabib on that rounds, khabib will have a big chance to win. Btw watch this video by Chael Sonnen, it's a good one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FdfqjgflpA about mcgregor vs khabib.

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August 06, 2018, 05:30:59 AM
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^  Omg you're right!  The lines are 1.69 for Khabib and 2.27 for McGregor.  I guess now's the best time to jump in on McGregor.  I couldn't see it getting anymore better than this once the promotions start for the event.  But considering that McGregor hasn't done any UFC matches for the last two years, I kinda feel iffy making the bet.

Wonder why they’re making McGregor the outside bet. I know he’s not fought in the Octagon for a while but he’s fought Diaz at a heavier weight & Mayweather in the boxing ring so he’s proven he can take hits from heavier men (Diaz) & different types of opponent (Floyd).

I actually think McGregor will KO Khabib, he’s a skinny little bitch.
I think McGregor can KO Khabib in 1-2 rounds, if McGregor can't KO khabib on that rounds, khabib will have a big chance to win. Btw watch this video by Chael Sonnen, it's a good one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FdfqjgflpA about mcgregor vs khabib.
Of the analysis of the fight is making me more excited to watch the event. The video That you attached is somehow correct in all specially where McGregor or shines and what he does is what he is made to do and I am betting on him instead of Khabib.



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August 06, 2018, 05:52:25 AM
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I'm worried about Conor's cardio. It looked to me as if Conor was tired in round 1 against Floyd Mayweather. It takes a lot more energy to wrestle and grapple in MMA than it does to throw punches in a boxing ring. The big question for me will be whether or not Conor managed to solve his cardio issues. If Conor's cardio is bad he'll need to finish Khabib early, else he's guaranteed to lose a 5 round fight.

I speculate that Conor has already started some kind of cardio training prior of accepting the fight.

Khabib is doing well for someone who seemed on the verge of retiring not long ago. I would be interested to know what type of injuries Khabib had which made it seem as if he would be quitting soon & whether those injuries could factor into his fight with Conor. Odd thing there is people think Khabib was injured training at AKA - American Kickboxing Academy. But no Khabib's injuries came about as he was training out of his native dagestan.

And he was also hospitalised cutting weight in UFC 209.

There are many pictures on social media of Conor training with Dillon Danis. Danis showed he has a good heelhook / leg based submissions which are usually executed from the bottom. Its likely that Conor will be drilling those subs if he expects Khabib to out-wrestle him. That could be Conor's plan B if Khabib takes him down.

That's why I'm speculating that he probably has preparing for this fight weeks ago. Like training with Danis to prepare against Khabib pinning him down.

It seems like everyone got bored of MMA when Conor was gone. Now that he's returning people are talking again. That type of star power is something special Conor has not a lot of athletes do.

Yes, there's was one video in Youtube I saw that has 2 millions hits already just by talking about Conor vs Khabib. He is really a star and his drawing power is really evident.

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August 06, 2018, 01:55:40 PM
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I think McGregor's cardio problems is more cos of genetics than the lack of training or the inability of his camp to 'fix' it.  I mean he's been fighting at a high level for years now, why still have that issue?

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August 07, 2018, 08:16:28 AM
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@Hydrogen. What injuries? I reckon Khabib is in the peak of his career and in his conditioning.

Around...  2015 Khabib was on the verge of retirement. Khabib's father said that he hoped Khabib would only fight for 1-2 years longer.

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Khabib suffered his third consecutive injury last week and was forced to withdraw from his highly anticipated clash against Tony Ferguson at the TUF 22 Finale. While Khabib's injury came in the form of a broken rib - an excruciatingly painful yet far from career-threatening injury - he revealed that he is contemplating retirement.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/11/8/9691450/ufc-khabib-nurmagomedov-retirement-father-abdulmanap-mma-news

Here we are 3 years later. Khabib is still fighting. I don't know all of Khabib's injuries or how serious they were. But Khabib was seriously considering retirement back in 2015.

I speculate that Conor has already started some kind of cardio training prior of accepting the fight.

Yes. Very smart of you to think that.   Smiley

I think McGregor's cardio problems is more cos of genetics than the lack of training or the inability of his camp to 'fix' it.  I mean he's been fighting at a high level for years now, why still have that issue?

That's what Firas Zahabi the head coach at tristar said.

Looking at Conor's earlier fights, he always fought @ a high pace & never had cardio issues.

This issue Conor has where he has trouble going the distance is a new thing. And it has gotten worse over time.

Conor's teammates like Gunnar Nelson also began having cardio issues around the same time Conor did.

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^  Yup!  It's an interesting theory cos coach Zahabi goes on and says that it's prolly how McGregor's muscles are connected to the bone that makes his punches really fast and how that and the thicker muscle fibers can't retain oxygen as much.  I'm gonna look for that vid then post it.  It's a good watch.

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August 09, 2018, 09:03:41 PM
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Sure, Conor is quite faster but his speed can't solve anything in this fight, not sure at this fight Conor will win. Becasue Khabib also not simple fighter. So, I think Khabib will win cause of he is little calmful sportsman.

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August 09, 2018, 11:55:47 PM
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^  Yup!  It's an interesting theory cos coach Zahabi goes on and says that it's prolly how McGregor's muscles are connected to the bone that makes his punches really fast and how that and the thicker muscle fibers can't retain oxygen as much.  I'm gonna look for that vid then post it.  It's a good watch.

I think that Firas Zahabi says smart things sometimes but his views on genetics and fast twitch versus slow twitch muscle fibers could be a bit outdated and obsolete.

IMO the main causes of athletes having poor cardio are #1 PED abuse #2 drug or substance abuse.

The first GGG versus Canelo fight might have shown how athletes who test positive for steroids have a tough time matching the cardio of natural athletes. Both PED's and drugs have the potential to damage a person's body causing them to have inferior cardio.

In Conor's case he's a big party guy. He parties hard with his team. One of Conor's teammates, Gunnar Nelson, also developed cardio issues around the same time that Conor did. Looking at Gunnar Nelson's record, he began having issues with his cardio around december 2015. That's around the time Conor had the same problem, which could mean those guys party or celebrate a little too hard for their own good.

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August 10, 2018, 02:44:35 PM
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^  Sure McGregor party's a lot (I heard he's a big coke head) but you really can't throw genetics out of the window on why a human body is the way it is.  There are three basic body types, the endomorph, ectomorph and the mesomorph (in which most are a combination of the two or three types), and each has different characteristics.

Obsolete or not, he still has a point.

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August 10, 2018, 02:53:23 PM
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For all UFC fans out there:

Conor McGregor to challenge Khabib Nurmagomedov for lightweight title at UFC 229

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He’s back. And he’s coming for the title that he never lost.

The UFC officially announced Friday that Conor McGregor (21-3) will make his return to the Octagon after a nearly two-year hiatus when he challenges Khabib Nurmagomedov (26-0) for the lightweight championship in the main event of UFC 229 on Oct. 6 at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

This marks McGregor’s first UFC fight since Nov. 12, 2016, when he defeated Eddie Alvarez to capture lightweight gold and become a dual-division champion at 145 and a 155 pounds. He has been stripped of both belts since as he took time off from MMA competition to raise his first first child and pursue a blockbuster boxing bout with Floyd Mayweather.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2018/8/3/17649370/conor-mcgregor-to-challenge-khabib-nurmagomedov-for-lightweight-title-at-ufc-229

This is what all UFC/MMA fans are waiting for years, and it looks like its going to happen on Oct. 6. @Tokeweed, time to create a thread for this one.  Grin

This is where McGregor is good and not in boxing. This might be the comeback victory of McGregor if khabib will not be cautious on how deadly his opponent is.
Just for the sake of money he would jumped in even though he knows that he would really be outmatched in longer rounds and he knows about that but well were not talking about the past.
The upcoming fight would be an interesting one consider that Khabib still have that 0 record,can Conor can give that first defeat? High chances on my own view but he should not be too confident.

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August 10, 2018, 02:54:08 PM
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^  Yup!  It's an interesting theory cos coach Zahabi goes on and says that it's prolly how McGregor's muscles are connected to the bone that makes his punches really fast and how that and the thicker muscle fibers can't retain oxygen as much.  I'm gonna look for that vid then post it.  It's a good watch.

Is this the video that you are talking about?

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZStCNrGuYFc)

Interesting point being raised there by Zahabi. But its no science that those type of skeletal muscles really play a important factor in a sports. I learn about them when I started to go to the gym and learn how muscle works and yes the 3 basic types (I'm more on a ectomorph). Probably Conor is really gifted and can call all of that muscle and pack in a single punch. Of course the only drawback is that it consume too much energy that he easily gasses out after a round or two. But Yes, Zahabi knows his thing, one the best coaches out there.

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August 10, 2018, 08:20:18 PM
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Come on, so now he's somehow a superhuman megapuncher? I wouldn't trust these theories much. I love the show he's throwing every time and if Khabib loses that it could be a great moment to treat this huge paycheck as retirement and end the career. Nobody can go on undefeated for too long and some people managed to realize that and leave with a perfect record (Floyd).
I don't think that Connor is some wizard. He lost a couple fights. I think that he can win this one if he doesn't get too cocky and protects himself. We all know that he has a glass chin. Great puncher, but not very tough.

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^  Sure McGregor party's a lot (I heard he's a big coke head) but you really can't throw genetics out of the window on why a human body is the way it is.  There are three basic body types, the endomorph, ectomorph and the mesomorph (in which most are a combination of the two or three types), and each has different characteristics.

Obsolete or not, he still has a point.

Here's one example of how coke abuse can damage an athlete's organs, leading to reduced cardio.

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Cocaine damages many other organs in the body. It reduces blood flow in the gastrointestinal tract, which can lead to tears and ulcerations.7 Many chronic cocaine users lose their appetite and experience significant weight loss and malnourishment. Cocaine has significant and well-recognized toxic effects on the heart and cardiovascular system.7,16,20 Chest pain that feels like a heart attack is common and sends many cocaine users to the emergency room.7,20 Cocaine use is linked with increased risk of stroke,16 as well as inflammation of the heart muscle, deterioration of the ability of the heart to contract, and aortic ruptures.20

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/cocaine/what-are-long-term-effects-cocaine-use

I'm not 100% certain if Firas Zahabi has a point. The thing he mentions about muscles binding to a person's bone isn't something I know much about. That's something I need to do more research on.

When MMA fighters have bad cardio though, the most likely causes are PED or drug abuse imo. I would bet a lot of money Firas Zahabi is wrong if he thinks genes are the main cause.

Conor had very good cardio in his earlier UFC fights. Watch his fight with Max Holloway (where he strained or tore his ACL). Conor used to push a fast pace without slowing down.

Its only recently that he's started to have issues.

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August 11, 2018, 07:38:19 AM
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I'll base my analysis with my opinion and the records of both fighters I say that Khabib Nurmagomedov has a slight upper hand in this fight base on his record of undefeated, Age, Stamina, And even though his opponent is well build he will not stop in giving a good fight on them, Well this is just my opinion and Mcgregor needs to handle his stamina problems so he can go the distance in just winning in the first couple of rounds but can also made it straight until the last and Michael Bisping think he got a remedy with this issue, Well I really think khabib will got the upper hand if Mcgregor can't think a way in getting this problem fixed.














 

 

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Finally! A next fight for Conor. Can’t wait to see him prepare for the fight. I think after his loss with Mayweather (probably just for the money fight). He is going to redeem himself with this. Let’s go!!
That fight with Mayweather is obviously a money fight. Why will McGregor fight in boxing where he doesn't belong there. MMA is the place for him not boxing Cheesy.

Anyway, I'm not a fan of UFC but I will watch this fight since I like how McGregor fights.

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Also, I remember connor had to fight so many good fighters to actually be able to get the title at the first place, khabib only fight against people who were not fit to even get the title, this SHOULD be easy for connor but he hasn't been fighting for a while so it all depends on his training to be honest.
I am not sure what you are talking about, Connor ducked everyone in Featherweight and the top fighter he fought to get to the title was short replacement Chad Mendes, how many Lightweight contenders he faced to get to the title, he lost a fight with Nate and somehow won the rematch which is debatable and went on to fight Alvarez, i accept that he dominated his fights but never say that he fought good fighters to reach to the title and more over he never defended any of his belts till now. I expect Khabib to take the fight to the ground and smother him. Tongue














 

 

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I'm not 100% certain if Firas Zahabi has a point. The thing he mentions about muscles binding to a person's bone isn't something I know much about. That's something I need to do more research on.

When MMA fighters have bad cardio though, the most likely causes are PED or drug abuse imo. I would bet a lot of money Firas Zahabi is wrong if he thinks genes are the main cause.

Conor had very good cardio in his earlier UFC fights. Watch his fight with Max Holloway (where he strained or tore his ACL). Conor used to push a fast pace without slowing down.

Its only recently that he's started to have issues.

I think coach Zahabi did the proper research.  I mean he isn't a world class MMA coach for nothing.  His approach is scientific, and he did say it's just a theory.

But considering that genes play a major role on the charactersitics of 'what' you are, what he said has some validity.

But in McGregor's case, if it's drugs, then it's drugs.  Lol.

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I'm not 100% certain if Firas Zahabi has a point. The thing he mentions about muscles binding to a person's bone isn't something I know much about. That's something I need to do more research on.

When MMA fighters have bad cardio though, the most likely causes are PED or drug abuse imo. I would bet a lot of money Firas Zahabi is wrong if he thinks genes are the main cause.

Conor had very good cardio in his earlier UFC fights. Watch his fight with Max Holloway (where he strained or tore his ACL). Conor used to push a fast pace without slowing down.

Its only recently that he's started to have issues.

I think coach Zahabi did the proper research.  I mean he isn't a world class MMA coach for nothing.  His approach is scientific, and he did say it's just a theory.

But considering that genes play a major role on the charactersitics of 'what' you are, what he said has some validity.

But in McGregor's case, if it's drugs, then it's drugs.  Lol.

I doubt that drugs has something to do with McGregor not having a good stamina. There are fighters who are really explosive in the first 2-3 rounds, but eventually gets tired after that. Just probably lack of cardio trading as Zabahi mentioned that it can be corrected and there are certain exercise that can greatly improved someone's stamina.

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August 12, 2018, 01:15:19 AM
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I doubt that drugs has something to do with McGregor not having a good stamina. There are fighters who are really explosive in the first 2-3 rounds, but eventually gets tired after that. Just probably lack of cardio trading as Zabahi mentioned that it can be corrected and there are certain exercise that can greatly improved someone's stamina.

If you know who Melvin Guillard is, his career and cardio both declined significantly after he tested positive for cocaine. The same with Thiago Silva. Does anyone remember Thiago Silva? He used to be ranked in the top 5 in the UFC. Silva's wife posted those videos online of Thiago high on cocaine. It wasn't long before he was losing to guys who aren't ranked in the top 100.

There are many others I could mention but I doubt anyone would recognise their names.

Whenever someone that used to be a good fighter starts to look like a shadow of their former selves, drugs are often involved.

Firas Zahabi is a good coach and a smart guy but I think people will eventually see he was wrong on this.

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