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January 30, 2019, 06:05:34 AM
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People who have plans to murder someone or to get revenge will always find a weapon of their choice to make it happen. They can make improvised guns and other bladed weapons so your advise is useless at all. There are also chemicals that are much dangerous than guns that can kill hundreds of people or damage them permanently.

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January 30, 2019, 06:55:04 AM
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^^^ The point isn't taking freedom away from people, to keep them from doing wrong if they want. The point is to be armed so that they think twice about it, and to have courts that actually execute the guilty person.

Most of us aren't all that bad. So, scare the bad ones into changing, or get rid of them through execution.

But if you are scared of dying, you don't have any choice. Go take a look at the few 80 and 90 year olds that are in the hospitals, etc. Keep your house in order, so to speak, at all times, 'cause you never know when it is going to happen to you.

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February 07, 2019, 09:57:53 PM
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I feel it is better to ban weapons in our society , in order to guard against abuse of it use, crime rate can be minimize, as arm robbers to will be weary of using the weapon for the fear of been caught, the advantage outweigh the disadvantage, Trust is good but control is better.

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February 08, 2019, 12:27:09 AM
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I feel it is better to ban weapons in our society , in order to guard against abuse of it use, crime rate can be minimize, as arm robbers to will be weary of using the weapon for the fear of been caught, the advantage outweigh the disadvantage, Trust is good but control is better.

The only way to ban weapons in society, is to ban freedom. Why? Because there will always be people who will find/make/use weapons... even if they are only meal utensils... forks, spoons and table knives.

When we make really good AI robots, we can wrap all people in straitjackets, and the robots will feed us, wipe out rear ends, and do everything else for us that we need. And none of us will be able to harm anyone else.

Or we can put everybody on LSD so that they are too high to make weapons (or anything else) and society will stagnate. Dig out the 1968 movie Wild in the Streets to see what happened when this was done.

But it will take weapons to force everybody into the robot system or the LSD system. Will the people who use the weapons to force everybody into subjection, lay down their weapons after it is done? Check out the history of Stalin, Hitler, and especially Mao Tse-tung, to see if this is what would happen, and how things played out when the weapons were gone from the masses.

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February 08, 2019, 10:06:01 AM
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By "Weapons" do you specifically mean firearms? Cause almost anything can be used as a "weapon" if you're creative enough.
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February 08, 2019, 02:20:12 PM
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It can't be, if you do such thing, it is our disadvantage. why? how can we protect ourselves against bad people? or crooks? and even though it is implemented, people will never obey that, there will always be people who will find ways to use weapons.
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February 08, 2019, 07:32:28 PM
Last edit: February 08, 2019, 08:04:43 PM by MeEsH BaCcA
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In a country such as the UK where police are not routinely armed I don’t think relaxing restrictions on firearms is a wise idea. Culturally the UK is vastly different to the USA and with an unarmed police force the vast majority of crimes are committed without firearms and those that are happen between gangs without affecting the general public.

If the general population were armed, the police would also have to be armed leading to an arms race with criminals stemming from the fear of armed confrontation where currently there is no real fear of being killed. As a population in the UK there is no real want or need for relaxation of gun laws. Anyone can own a shotgun and the police firearms officer has to have a reason not to issue one, usually a criminal record or history of mental health issues, obvious red flags. Yet the vast majority wouldn’t ever concider applying for a shotgun certificate. Single shot bolt action magazine fed rifles of any calibre or .22 rim fire semi auto are available to anyone who can show good reason for owning one i.e member of a rifle club and have signatures from club chairs supporting your application or pest control with restrictions on what you plan on using for example you won’t get a .308 for rat control. A strange difference between USA laws and UK laws is suppressors, where in the UK they are freely available and encouraged as to keep noise disruption down.

Handguns were banned in the UK after the Dunblane massacre  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre which in all honesty was a good decision as despite the illegal holding of guns and import of weapons by gangs from Eastern Europe defenceless children have not been killed by a nutcase by firearm since, something the USA collectively should hang its head in shame about. I understand as a country the USA is too far gone in terms of gun ownership as the cat is out of the bag in terms of being able to control it. However if criminals did not fear getting shot then they wouldn’t carry guns and the UK and Europe are living proof of that regarding public saftey.

Gun control in the USA as most posters in here seem to be residents then, probably your only way forward are your current rights with maybe stricter checks on mental health although from what I understand most sales are not retail. You’re in a very fucked situation, a situation I couldn’t even begin to think of how to resolve and I’d assume neither does anyone else. All I can say with absolute certainty is an armed population does not make you safer despite how it may fee subjectively.

Edit, just a little extra view on the death penalty:  I think for certain crimes the death penalty should be concidered although I’m of the opinion there are fates worse than death. However, the scary thing about the death penalty and crime is, if you commit a crime where you stand a chance of being put to death what do you have to lose by potentially ending lives that could convict you in the chance you can get away?

Edit 2:Regarding an unarmed population and being able to resist control of the government, in the UK the armed forces swear allegiance to the Queen not any political party largely removing the need for armed insurrection, even so, I have a fair few soldiers as close friends and given orders to turn their weapons on their own country men it just wouldn’t happen and the ones that did would rapidly be turned on. Regardless weapons wouldn’t stop your financial assets being removed from you by a malevolent government and the united populations weapons would rapidly be turned on each other when it comes to survival.
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February 08, 2019, 09:25:28 PM
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The idea of having weapons or not in the USA, doesn't stem from focusing on the weapons or having weapons. It focuses on the right to private property.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't really mean anything. It exists as a double check on government messing with people's rights to this specific kind of property. But even if the 2nd Amendment wasn't there, the people would still have the right to their private property, be it weapons or anything else.

Private property is an instictive thing among Americans. Guns are simply an important part of private property.

Get off my property. Check out private membership associations to see that the people are showing government all their own laws and court cases that state right in government that government is to keep hands off my private property.

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February 08, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
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I understand and get where the American culture and identity of firearms comes from but you’re not living on the frontier now, and the times of having a armed civilian militia for the benefit of invasion defence has long passed since at the very latest August 6 1945.

There is no denying firearm ownership on the scale of the USA is detrimental to society and public saftey, the issue is, the opportunity to have reasonable discourse on the subject has long passed. Defence of property or family is not a valid argument to have a firearm if firearms are not commonly held (which they are in the USA) Because you defend your property with firearms anyone willing to rob or steal will have to be armed themselves which creates lethal conflict in a shoot first of get shot scenario, and in states with the death penalty if you’re the one getting shot first your family’s future could be pretty bleak.

There is absolutely no reasonable argument for almost unrestricted firearm ownership when that freedom means more school children have been killed in mass shootings in the USA than any mass killing including terror attacks in the whole of Europe in the last decade. How can one begin to defend that?
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February 08, 2019, 10:29:32 PM
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^^^ By suggesting living on the frontier, it seems that you don't really understand where I am coming from. Your following paragraph shows that you don't understand the whole idea behind weapons in the first place.

Implement over a 5-year period, the requirement that every adult must wear a firearm in the open when off his residence property, and crime will dry up... because criminals fear guns... or will be dead

It's the chickenhearted people, being pushed by people who want to take over America and the world, that are pushing for gun control. The last thing we need is to lose our gun rights, because we will become slaves of the police, the military, and the government if we do.

Check out the history of Stalin, Hitler, and Mao for proof of what happens.

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February 08, 2019, 10:41:33 PM
Last edit: February 08, 2019, 11:01:41 PM by MeEsH BaCcA
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Just my opinion but I feel that’s an incredibly naive and over simplistic view, criminals aren’t just going to be scared of guns or dead they’ll just tool up for the job and shoot first. Don’t get me wrong I’m certainly not against firearm ownership as that would be hypocritical just the more guns the safer you are is a provable fallacy.

Edit, just for a successful recent European resistance against govenment “slavery”: The absolute fuckery caused by the yellow vest movement without a shot fired beginning 2018 France. If that population was armed imagine the bloodshed, it only takes one ND or unstable person to result in armed conflict.
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February 08, 2019, 11:30:06 PM
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I feel it is better to ban weapons in our society , in order to guard against abuse of it use, crime rate can be minimize, as arm robbers to will be weary of using the weapon for the fear of been caught, the advantage outweigh the disadvantage, Trust is good but control is better.

Rather than banning self-defense. How about, when you catch someone using weapons in a robbery, that you give them tougher sentences. Wouldn't that accomplish your goals?  As you said "fear of being caught" will curtail armed crime.

Now, let's go further. The US is going through a cultural revolution analogous to what happened in China during the 1960s.  The left has these periods of insanity and we're seeing it play out here in the US.

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February 09, 2019, 04:28:59 PM
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Just my opinion but I feel that’s an incredibly naive and over simplistic view, criminals aren’t just going to be scared of guns or dead they’ll just tool up for the job and shoot first. Don’t get me wrong I’m certainly not against firearm ownership as that would be hypocritical just the more guns the safer you are is a provable fallacy.
Just like they aren't scared of anything else, but at least owning a gun gives you a chance. When you get assaulted by a psychotic maniac he will try to kill you anyway. If he finds a rock he'll keep hitting you with it until you're dead. What would you rather have for defense? A knife or a gun?


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Edit, just for a successful recent European resistance against govenment “slavery”: The absolute fuckery caused by the yellow vest movement without a shot fired beginning 2018 France. If that population was armed imagine the bloodshed, it only takes one ND or unstable person to result in armed conflict.

It's estimated that there's about 20 guns per 100 people in France. This means that 20% of yellow vests have access to guns. That's a lot. Why aren't they shooting? Why aren't they killing the police? It is your understanding of the situation that is wrong.
For instance, that migrant who chopped off a guy's head in the street didn't have a gun. He didn't need one.
Or that guy:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/766184/migrant-attack-germany-berlin-beheading-ritual-killing


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February 09, 2019, 06:45:24 PM
Last edit: February 14, 2019, 04:19:15 AM by BADecker
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Most of the focus is a mistaken understanding about the word "banning."

If everybody banned weapons, we would have relative peace around the whole world.

"Banning" weapons really means that some people (usually government) are trying to use weapons to force other people to not have them.

Good people will try to obey government. Bad people will always thwart government as much as they can.

Aren't the people self governing? Let people who want to ban guns ban them for themselves. Let people who want to ban the banning keep their guns. The people are self governing.

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February 11, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
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Instead of using a weapon that can people just make a tranquilizer weapon to avoid crime and also it can protect you if your life is in danger there are many tools now a days and Im sure that Deadly weapon is not the key to prevent crime. Banning the weapon in country will help the community and lower the crimes.

But even stopping the transaction of weapon in a country in depends on the people how they face it democratic or bloody to solve they're own problems.

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February 11, 2019, 01:03:57 PM
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The law should fit the situation depend on society. If a high educate society, and most people are mental stable and less chance use weapon to harm other people, then might be weapon introduce doesn’t matter, but if a sociality with low education, high percentage violent and aggressive behaviour, then allow weapon flow around and easy to access would lead to chaos and dangerous. there should be mental financial and many test before own a dangerous weapon, if there a good reason and the person can pass all the test, then they could have gun for a year, the test need to repeat after a year time, gun in good people hand can protect us, but in bad people hand can kill us.

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February 14, 2019, 03:30:51 AM
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The law should fit the situation depend on society. If a high educate society, and most people are mental stable and less chance use weapon to harm other people, then might be weapon introduce doesn’t matter, but if a sociality with low education, high percentage violent and aggressive behaviour, then allow weapon flow around and easy to access would lead to chaos and dangerous. there should be mental financial and many test before own a dangerous weapon, if there a good reason and the person can pass all the test, then they could have gun for a year, the test need to repeat after a year time, gun in good people hand can protect us, but in bad people hand can kill us.

So, you don't have a right to defend yourself.  And, in order to be safe from weapons you are willing to be at the mercy of criminals and the government. And, you're of the opinion that the government always has the interests of individuals citizens at heart.

I think that people are safe in many countries.

But we have witnessed horrors inflicted by governments in the very recent past.

The Russian revolution, the starvation of the Ukrainians, the gulags.
Hitler
The Chinese cultural revolution.
Pol Pot
The Kim family in NK
The Iranian ayatollahs
...

And the list goes on.

Sorry. I'm not willing to disarm.
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